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8 Weeks symptoms, HSV-2?

› Forums › Herpes Questions › 8 Weeks symptoms, HSV-2?

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    • December 1, 2021 at 8:54 am #75690
      Confused777
      Spectator

      Hi Terri,
      I had unprotected oral and vaginal intercourse this fall. 2 days later I started feeling pins and needles in groin and thighs, pelvic pain, swollen groin, testicle pain and pain in the tip of my penis. Additional symptoms include light nausea, loss of appetite, frequent urination, and exasperated symptoms after sitting. These have all been intermittent and changing by the day or hour for the last 7 and a half weeks. I’ve had no full days of relief from some kind of pain. I have been to the doctor 3x. The first time she tested me for Chlamydia, Ghonhorrea(both neg) and HSV-1 and 2 IgM and IgG.

      Here are the results:
      HSV, IgM I/II Combination 0.97 High
      HSV 1 IgG, Type Spec <0.91
      HSV 2 IgG, Type Spec 18.60 High

      I’ve been taking Biotin at 5,000 MCG/day. I’ve read that this can skew results, and since my HSV-2 value was so much higher than anything I’ve seen online, I was curious if maybe this was throwing of my results. Do I have Super Herpes or something?

      I have been taking Advil, Tylenol, and hot baths as much as possible.

      Then after 4 weeks They had me try 1g of Vacyclovir 2x/day for 7 days. This didn’t seem to have any effect on symptoms either.

      Here I am at almost 8 weeks now and my symptoms are still intermittent by the day.

      The doctor did another full bill of blood tests and urine, and everything looked fine.

      They also commented on the HSV-2 test and said that honestly they wouldn’t have done that test and it could mean I was exposed, but also possibly not.

      I had these symptoms 5 years ago with no test and it went away after ~6 weeks.

      My questions are:
      Does my HSV-2 test seem irregularly high, what does that number mean and should I get a different test?
      Is this normal to have these “prodromal” symptoms for 7.5 weeks or could this be something else?
      What else can I do to alleviate symptoms?

    • December 4, 2021 at 12:43 pm #75707
      Confused777
      Spectator

      Hi Terri, Have you had a chance to look at my questions? I noticed a few others had been addressed.

    • December 5, 2021 at 9:34 pm #75759
      Terri Warren
      Keymaster

      I believe, with a high degree of certainty, you are infected HSV 2. It is possible, I suppose, that this is a false positive, but if it is, it is the highest that we’ve seen ever. i certainly wouldn’t count upon that.

      There is no such thing as “exposed”. Either you are infected or you are not. If you are infected, you are potentially infectious to others.

      The fact that you are having symptoms for so long may have nothing to do with a herpes infection.
      If you have any question that you are indeed infected, you could do the western blot. But I do think you are, given this high number. That doesn’t mean that these symptoms are due to herpes – it could be something entirely different.
      L

      Let me know if I can do anything do help you with this.

      Terri

    • January 5, 2022 at 4:27 pm #76068
      Confused777
      Spectator

      Hi Terri,
      I wanted to follow-up and see if you might have any additional ideas for me. I think I still have a couple follow-ups from my initial payment. If not, let me know 🙂

      It’s been 13 weeks now since this began and I’m still having tingling in genitals, itchy thighs, mild groin pain. But I’ve had NO LESIONS. And I’ve checked everyday, because it feels like they could be there, but they aren’t.

      The doctor thought it may be a hernia, but we tested and did an ultrasound for that and it was negative. We’ve done full blood work and tested for Clamydia, Gonorhea and HIV and they are negative.

      My questions are:
      Is this likely me constantly shedding the virus for 13 weeks or is this potentially an after-effect of having it?
      They says the first outbreak is the worst, but I had similar symptoms 5 years ago and it went away in 5 weeks and I never felt anything like it until now. Have you seen anything like this before?
      Does a longer outbreak (like 13 weeks) maybe mean my next outbreak won’t happen for a long time?

      Any other ideas you have about my situation would be greatly appreciated. Even if there are posts you could refer me to where people have had extended symptoms like mine.

      Thank you,
      Telluride is awesome by the way!

    • January 7, 2022 at 9:03 am #76102
      Terri Warren
      Keymaster

      Awww, you recognized Telluride. Cool. We love it there
      Groin and thigh pins and needles feeling, pelvic pain, swollen groin, testicle pain and pain in the tip of my penis are not really signs of HSV 2. Neither are light nausea, loss of appetite, frequent urination, and exasperated symptoms after sitting. Some people who have HSV 2 can have the pins and needles feeling but it should not be constant.

      I am assuming that you have had a prostate exam? Some of these could be prostate symptoms.
      Another possibility here is chronic pelvic pain syndrome. Here is an article about this for your to read: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756547/

      Yes, I believe that you have HSV 2 but not everything that happens in the genitals of people who have HSV 2 are related to HSV 2. And I think people get really mixed up about that sometimes. The fact that the antiviral medication didn’t change these symptoms further suggests that your symptoms are not related to HSV 2.

      Terri

    • April 4, 2022 at 5:41 pm #77003
      Confused777
      Spectator

      Hi Terri,
      So It’s been 6 months now and I’m still having regular symptoms of tingling/itchy genitals and pinching groin pain, burning inner and backs of thighs, still no lesions. Although symptoms do seem to get 70-80% better throughout the week, they are never completely gone. It seems to get worse on Sunday and Monday after weekends when I’ve had alcoholic beverages.

      I did visit a Urologist, who had me try Oxybutinen, but it also did not help.

      At this point he said he thinks it could be Interstitial Cystitis. The only thing is that everything I’ve been tested for is negative other than HSV-2. I’m probably going to take another test just for verification.

      I started seeing someone so I started taking 500mg of valacyclovir, thinking that maybe since symptoms aren’t as intense as when they first started back in November, it would alleviate the symptoms. Well, it seems as though they are still about the same after a week of taking the anti-viral medication.

      Here are my questions:
      Have you met anyone in a similar situation?

      Did they find relief with any other type of medication besides Vacyclovir?

      Have you heard of anyone having luck in suppressing symptoms with any Traditional Chinese Medicines?

      Thank you for your time!

    • April 10, 2022 at 7:45 am #77058
      Terri Warren
      Keymaster

      If your symptoms remain about the same even while taking Valtrex, it seems very unlikely to me that they are due to HSV.
      I’ve certainly had other patients in this situation, absolutely. Many of them end up finding that they don’t have herpes after all. Others also find that Valtrex doesn’t help at all, so I believe it is likely that something else could be going on here. Others are doing daily home swabbing for a set amount of time to see if these sensations actually represent viral shedding or not.

      Have you considered stopping the Biotin and seeing if your IgG value remains the same?

      I am just not familiar with the Chinese medicines that might be used but I was skeptical of acupuncture and found it totally took away my back pain, as a last resort, so I’m a believer that there are other things that could help herpes in the realm of other kinds of treatment but can’t recommend anything broadly that hasn’t undergone rigorous scientific review here.

      Terri

      • April 11, 2022 at 11:28 am #77102
        Confused777
        Spectator

        Ok thanks! I have thought about getter another test since I’ve stopped taking the Biotin, but I haven’t yet.

        I’m curious to learn more about the daily viral swabbing. I’d really like to know if these sensations are due to that. How can I start doing that on my own?

    • April 17, 2022 at 7:33 am #77141
      Terri Warren
      Keymaster

      I am working with several patients who collect their swabs at home and send them to me and I send them to Quest for PCR testing. Or you can certainly work with your own provider to get these swabs and do them in your own city. My patients have found it very helpful to do this and sort out if the symptoms they are having are related to HSV or not. But it is expensive – each PCR swab is $125 and samples must be shipped back to me, which is not expensive.

      Terri

    • April 23, 2022 at 12:47 pm #77250
      Confused777
      Spectator

      Hi Terri,
      Well I was retested for HSV-2 last week and my IgG level was 13.0 which is 5.6 points less than what it was when I tested in October which was 18.6. So, I guess that’s pretty clear now that I do in fact have it. Good news was I’ve been tested for everything else as well and they were all negative.

      So, I’ve got that going for me, which is nice 😉

      Now that I’ve come to terms with this I have a couple of questions:

      What causes IgG levels to fluctuate and what do the numbers coincide with?

      If I take Valacyclovir, is there any evidence that 1000mg per day helps to reduce viral shedding any more than taking 500mg per day. Obviously I would rather take 500mg per day if possible.

      If I want to collect a swab for PCR testing while I’m having symptoms, what steps do I need to take to get that going with you?

      Thanks

    • April 23, 2022 at 1:00 pm #77251
      Confused777
      Spectator

      One side note: I’m not really sure how to tell if I’ve been having “outbreaks” every week or every couple of days, because I’ve still never had any visible lesions. I’m assuming that the initial symptoms I had in October was one outbreak, and I’ve had the burning thighs, groin pinching pain ever since, although not as intense.

    • April 24, 2022 at 10:48 pm #77255
      Confused777
      Spectator

      I also find it really strange that I have had such a different experience with this virus than most others. My symptoms have been ongoing for 7 solid months now. I’ve had 7 doctors/specialists tell me that these aren’t symptoms of HSV, but it’s the only thing that I’ve tested positive for and I’ve been to 5 in-person doctor appointments/exams spoken with 3 physicians and specialist online as well.

      I did have a neurologist online tell me that HSV-2 can cause nerve issues in my thighs, and I think that he may be the most accurate of anyone, because that’s what it feel like. Nerves.

      I’m a healthy guy in my mid-forties, never tested positive for any STI. I was tested for Hep A, B, and C, Chlamydia, Ghonorrhea, HIV and Syphilis. All negative. I also had an ultrasound for hernia, which was negative and I saw a Urologist who said it was probably some kind of bladder infection that couldn’t be detected with a urine test.

      I took Valacyclovir, Ciprofloxacin, Doxycycline, and Oxybutynin. Nothing helped.

      I still have groin pain/pinching and inner thigh burning symptoms on most days. It’s definitely worse after a night of drinking alcohol and also caffeine makes it worse as well.

      That’s not really a question, but I’m hoping that it might help others with similar symptoms who are confused.

      It’s like constant prodrome symptoms with no actual outbreak. It has gotten better since October, as the pain at first was unbearable. But it’s still really uncomfortable and I don’t wish it upon anyone.

    • May 3, 2022 at 2:33 pm #77311
      Terri Warren
      Keymaster

      What causes IgG levels to fluctuate and what do the numbers coincide with?
      We don’t know the answer to that – the numbers themselves don’t mean anything really, when they are this high, only that you are almost certainly infected.

      If I take Valacyclovir, is there any evidence that 1000mg per day helps to reduce viral shedding any more than taking 500mg per day. Obviously I would rather take 500mg per day if possible.
      It might help more, yes. And I like 500 twice a day vs. once a day of 1,000 to keep drug levels even.

      If I want to collect a swab for PCR testing while I’m having symptoms, what steps do I need to take to get that going with you?
      We would need to have a video consult to talk about this.

      If your symptoms don’t change when taking antivirals, I think it is very unlikely that they are due to herpes, but I don’t know what they might be. Swabbing would help clarify that.

      Terri

      Burning thighs are not an outbreak and we cannot know if this is a sign of viral activity without a swab test.

    • May 25, 2022 at 6:41 am #77489
      Confused777
      Spectator

      Hi Terri,
      I’ve been having a lot of symptoms that you’ve said are uncharacteristic of HSV-2, but I’ve been tested for everything now and there isn’t anything else to explain my symptoms. I have a couple of questions.

      1. What determines what symptoms are and are not associated with HSV-2?

      2. What is the clinical definition of “asymptomatic” in regards to the herpes virus?

      3. I’ve read of people becoming infected when someone was asymptomatic. Does asymptomatic in this case just mean the absence of visible symptoms, or does it also mean the absence of any prodrome symptoms?

      Thanks!

    • May 28, 2022 at 12:39 pm #77551
      Terri Warren
      Keymaster

      1. What determines what symptoms are and are not associated with HSV-2?
      It’s just like any other disease or illness – certain symptoms go with HSV 2 symptoms like sore in the mouth or genital and certain symptoms don’t – like bumps on your elbow. I’m not sure what you are getting at here.

      2. What is the clinical definition of “asymptomatic” in regards to the herpes virus?
      Asymptomatic means that no symptoms are present – basically, in this case, no sores.

      3. I’ve read of people becoming infected when someone was asymptomatic. Does asymptomatic in this case just mean the absence of visible symptoms, or does it also mean the absence of any prodrome symptoms?
      There is no strict definition like you are looking for but I think we mean no visible symptoms in this case.

      Terri

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