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December 25, 2018 at 12:17 pm #28873MikeyParticipant
Hello first of like to thank you for all you
Do. I was exposed to hsv2 in mid October and I had us tested after I noticed a small bump that the dermatologist said was malluscum bump. I’ve always had hsv1 so my results came back negative for everything and high antibodies for hsv1 (which I expected) her results came back positive with hsv1 and 2. Hsv2 was high antibodies. After the dermatologist froze off the malluscum a few days later I noticed a burning sensation on the midline of median raphe. The midline below the shaft and few inches down from the malluscum bump. I got relief when I would stand up or walk or as I sleep. When I sit this will persist. I don’t feel any tingles or anything and I’ve tested 8 wks post exposure and got a negative result.
I know it’s still early yet but having hsv1 I read can slow down seroconversion for hsv2. Is this true?
Without antibodies wouldn’t one expect lesions and blisters or is hsv1 high antibodies of 30+ help In fighting off hsv2?
The past 2 months I’ve lost sleep and have been stressed and anxiety is through the roof. I would expect the blisters to come full force by now.
Could it be the anxiety and stress to give me this burning feeling, I urinate with no issues as the burning feeling is on the midline raphe on bottom of penis shaft just before base and scrotum. If it was hsv2 related I shouldn’t feel relief as I stand again it only bothers me as I sit. I plan to retest at 3 and 4 months. I was just wondering with no present antibodies after 8 wks wouldn’t you think I’d of seen blisters by now as much as I’ve been paranoid. Or is hsv1 antibodies helping to keep blisters away. I don’t feel tingles or nothing and I’d be a little more satisfied with the test results had I not felt the burning sensation a month after exposure. Even if this was from friction could it show up at a later date. I haven’t been sexual active sinse mid October. Not even on my mind these days until I’m certain.I appreciate yourinput doc and thanku -
December 27, 2018 at 6:03 am #28912MikeyParticipant
I’ve tested negative 2 months out so far. They say the Elisa herpeselect is 99% accurate after 6 weeks. What’s your opinion on that. I’ve read of people showing detectable antibodies from 21 to over 42 days then I read 12 to 16 wks. Not sure . to believe. It’s just funny the symptoms start as soon as we found out about hsv2 exposure. Hopefully it’s in our heads and we created these symptoms. Having hsv1 can maybe slow down the antibodies procces after hsv2 exposure.
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December 28, 2018 at 7:14 am #28931MikeyParticipant
Any feed back would be highly appreciated or should I wait to see if I get a low positive as the antibodies are starting to show up on the testing. Then maybe you can sell the western blot to me as well for conformation.
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December 29, 2018 at 9:29 am #28971Terri WarrenKeymaster
Infection with HSV 2 here seems very unlikely to me with your negative antibody tests so far and no blistering on the penis. The fact that you get relief by standing suggests some sort of possible prostate issue. You could certainly do the blot but only if you are uncomfortable wit the 92% certainty offered by the IgG test. The 99% quoted in the test literature is the percent of infection picked up in people KNOW to have HSV 2 because they had positive lesion swabs. That is different than the percentage our study obtain when we were looking simple at people who requested screening for herpes. Do you see the different in the populations?
Terri
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January 1, 2019 at 12:50 pm #29025MikeyParticipant
Thank you very much. If i had hsv1 sinse I was a kid and well over 25 years would that slow down my antibody count for hsv2. I’m waiting for 12 wks to test but like I stated I tested negative at 8 wks. Not sure if anxiety is messing with my mind but I feel some slight symptoms like cold feeling down my back and legs. Sinse having hsv1 high antibodies it states that it’ll give mild symptoms for hsv2. I guess what I’m trying to figure out is will high hsv1 antibodies slow down the count for hsv2? Should I wait 16 wks or 12 weeks would be conclusive in my case. I keep reading different things. For example people with hsv1 antibodies will hardly see blisters and lesions? Is this true? I’d rather see them at this rate so I know for sure. Thank you so much for your time. The problem I’m facing is an old friend is back in my life and I’d never inflict this on her. She marriage material and I’m scared to lose her while I’m playing the waiting game here. I have a strong immune system and 6 months ago had surgury that takes a whole year for my body to heal completely so it’s comprised at this time that even caused me to have a cold sore. I feel that I’d see blisters and lesions also? Is that a good sign that I didn’t? I hate to put her off for 6 months. I read a person took that long to seroconvert. I hope I’m not gonna be like that. I weigh 180 lbs and hardly get colds and can’t remember the last time I was sick. I think I’d of at the very least had a low number or equivocal at 8 wks. Then again I don’t kno. I can’t sleep I can’t eat it’s driving me insane I keep thinking of the what ifs. I’d apreciate your input when you a chance. The end of this month will put me at 3 months out. Hopefully I’ll get the same results at 10 wks just for a peice of mind. I’ll retest at 13 wks and 4 then 6 months. I thank you so much for all you do here it’s a wonderful thing just hearing of a skilled and well advised professional. Your name is all over forums and alot of people apreciate you …
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January 5, 2019 at 5:19 pm #29097MikeyParticipant
Hello having hsv1 can slow down seroconversion and I’ve tested negative at about 10 wks post exposure would you recommend me to wait 16 wks at this rate or 12 wks. And please I’m waiting on your insight on my previous post when you get around to it I know you are busy person. I appreciate what you do. Also having hsv1 and if I contracted hsv2 I know they say it can be mild but can people still get an outbreak with blisters? The burning has gone down quit a bit but if i irritate the median raphe line (midline under penis to scrotum) it’ll come back. Does hsv2 act that way. If dermatologist said it was mallescum bump and froze it off. Can that cause the burning an inch away from original down the line. It’s almost as if the raphe line is irritated and inflamed. Just curious of your profenial opinion as I have no-one to ask. I want to avoid this convo with my family doc as he’s a good family friend. I do have an appointment Feb 5 putting me at about 13wks so I can retest before seeing him. I’ll reschedule if i need to wait about 16 to 20 wks because of hsv1 slowing down antibodies. Thanks for your time and I’m anxiously waiting a reply. Thank you once again
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January 6, 2019 at 7:57 am #29130Terri WarrenKeymaster
Having HSV 1 can slow down HSV 2 antibody development by a week or two. Yes, people who have HSV 1 and acquire HSV 2 are likely to have more moderate symptoms than someone who does not have HSV 1. So a dermatologist told you it was molluscum? And you don’t think so?
I don’t think you need to wait 16-20 weeks to test further – are you doing the western blot of another IgG? The western blot is a better test.This is your final post on this subscription. If you have more questions, feel free to renew.
Terri
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January 6, 2019 at 12:38 pm #29142MikeyParticipant
It’s not that I believe her and I know that has nothing to do with hsv2 because the lump is still kinda present 2 month after cryotherapy and h2 doesn’t last that long. After researching it seemed more like a median raphe cyst wit cordlike appearance. A wk maybe days after she did that the burning just below it on median raphe near scrotum has the burning. Still present. I feel no tingles or crawling just the burning and when I’m relaxed it’ll subside. If I rub the line I’ll irritate it to where the burn comes bk. I’m guessing that part is h2 related and had that burning never came about I’d of been ok. I’d much rather do the western blot and call it quits and it’s going on 11 wks. I’ll do it past 16 honestly and if u can help me avoid the convo with my Dr I’d be happy. When I see him I’m gonna focus on what derm said and see his opinion because that’s I’m sure that’s not h2 related and hopefully nothing serious. If it was mc it should of froze of and not have a lump still present 2 months later. I feel I def was misdiagnosed and all she wanted was money. Didn’t spend no time and went with a half a sec glance and said it was mc. I did the igG at labcorp. Maybe you can email me and from from there. I’m trying to figure out how to contact you and the one I used i had no reply. Is there anyway u can lead me on how to contact u. I’m not sure how it’ll work for the bloodwork to be sent to uw. I’ll test igG at 13 wks and wb at 17.
If hsv1 slows it down by a few wks I should wait longer.I kno h2 can cause burning but seems to linger for a month now without a blister. I saw slight raised skin directly on the raphe line when irritated I can make it return. Does h2 act that way. Again I tested negative at 10 wks. I’m expecting an equivocal or low numbers at 13 to 16 wks. I kno I may be experiencing a mild ob. Only reason is because I know I was exposed.I tested both of us and ahe had an 15 for hsv2. Never had symptoms and she’s been in an accident and had a miscarriage n all -
January 11, 2019 at 6:59 am #29258MikeyParticipant
Hi Terri I know you’re a busy person I’ve retested at about 11 wks maybe even 12 from the day I feel was the exposure day should I be relieved? I would of been but the burning on midline under penile shaft worries me and I have high antibodies for hsv1. To this day no blisters or lesions and as stressed as I’ve been I was expecting it. What could that be. I have an appointment coming up I just wanted to go there already tested cause that’s what he’ll end up doing anyway.
What are the chances of remaining neg
What could cause this burn sensation on midline of penile shaft. Could it really be from stressing. Rough sex can irritate the area. I know. I can be relieved but I can easily irritate the area if I mess with it and bring the burn feel back. Its been like that sense Dec when she burned the mallescum off. Even the mallescum is still noticeable foe 2 months and I kno hsv2 doesn’t act that way. Please your thoughts and answers of some of the questions I asked in previous posts. Thank you -
January 11, 2019 at 10:41 am #29290Terri WarrenKeymaster
You are out of questions, by the way.
I wouldn’t be so worried about the burning. Quit messing with it and maybe you won’t have burning. I seriously doubt that you are infected with HSV 2 but we can manage the western blot together if you wish.
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January 17, 2019 at 6:06 am #29453MikeyParticipant
Hi Terri
I could of sworn last time I paid I had a question and 2 follow ups. Can u look into that for me.Hope all is well I got a neg result at 12 wks post exposure (When condom broke) and about 11 wks from the last sexual intercourse. I’m not satisfied with the results because I read from you that having an established hsv1 infection can slow down seroconversion.
I’ve read u said 3 wks to a couple. When should I be satisfied with the results is my question. That’s why I wanted to rest at 20 wks. You said I don’t have to wait that long. What’s you ooinion..
Also the burning subsided when I applied cobervate on it if it was hsv2 related would it relieve it.. the fact i had this sensation since November I’m sure it’s not hsv2 related. I have an appointment with a urologist end of this month. I’ll retest the day before witch would be 13 wks post last sexual ex0osure and about 15 wks when condom broke and I got the malluscum bump that lead me to test her and find out she’s positive to hsv2. When can I consider my results conclusive. I had no blisters and lesions. If it wasn’t for the burning is feel so much better.
Does hsv2 cause burning for 2 months?
Having hsv1 for 20 years, when should I test for hsv2 and be satisfied with my resylts. I’ve wasted so much money on this already. Any info would be highly appreciated. Please also can u answer some of my previous questions I’ve posted in earlier posts. I’ll organize my questions from here on out. My stress and anxiety is killing me. I’m sure id of had blisters by now, Have a good week. Looking forward and patiently waiting for a reply. -
January 27, 2019 at 1:29 pm #29760MikeyParticipant
Hi Terri I think my post has been over looked when u can reply it’ll be highly appreciated. Tuesday will be 13 wks post last sexual encounter and probably 14 wks from when the condom broke. If negative should I take it as negative. Or when can i test and be satisfied with the results. I worry about being one that seroconvert at a later date having long time infection of hsv1. I’m engaged is the reason I’m so worried. Should I wait longer like 16 wks or what. If negative should I still consider the western blot. I wouldn’t be too worried but the burning I’ve felt is a major symptom and alot of hsv2 positive felt this. It has me wondering if that was a mild ob. No lesions or bumps. Maybe it was a fissure and I didn’t notice. Not sure if it was anxiety related but I’ve felt discomfort in my groin and Oct hot feeling on lower bk and back of thighs. Again patiently waiting for a reply.
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January 29, 2019 at 11:34 am #29914Terri WarrenKeymaster
I think testing at 15 weeks should be as definitive as the IgG test gets. HSV 2 does not cause burning for two months, no. I don’t believe it will be helpful to wait longer. The IgG test, when someone has waiting long enough to test, picks up 92% of HSV 2 and 70% of HSV 1, compared to the gold standard western blot.
Terri
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February 8, 2019 at 7:06 am #30394MikeyParticipant
Hi Terri, I hope all is well. I know you said 15 weeks is as definitive as the igG gets. My anxiety got to me and I tested at 14 weeks post exposure to hsv2. Actually 15 wks and 5 days from the exposure i am worried about (unprotected sex). Im going by the last time we had protected sex tho is why I say 14 wks. Results was negative not even equivocal. I have a strong immune system and I would think something would show up.
the fact i had rhinoplasty 6 months back and takes a year to completely heal. Would that slow up antibodies. I also smoke cigarettes and remember having to stop for 2 wks before operation to heal faster. I was told nicotine slows healing Time and takes oxygen from the blood. if that has to do anything with the igG count.
I plan to retest next wk as well and maybe 1 more in the future. I see people showing low positive months later as if this virus creeps at a slow rate. Has me kind of nervous about that. Having a small strain and as it duplicates may take months to show on blood work.
I haven’t had blisters or lesion in these 14 wks other than so called malluscum and the irritation on raphe (midline under penile shaft. What’s your opinion about the neg at 14 wks. I am healthy and from what I gathered the people that takes 6 months has immune issues and other problems. Is this a good sign. I had no tingles no crawling like I do on my lip so I kno the feeling very well. Been paying attention. My concern is the different stuff I keep reading. Herpes select Elisa say 4 to 6 wks. I read 12 to 16. Then six months. I can’t stay like this for 6 months. I’m looking forward to hearing from your experience and the many people you come across. What would be the chance of showing low positive in the next few months. It seems like antibodies slowly build. I read somebody kept testing neg and around 8 months started getting low positives and that has me really worried. I can’t put my marriage off that long. Looking forward to your reply. Have a good week. -
February 11, 2019 at 10:21 am #30451MikeyParticipant
Hi Terri I scheduled an evisit with u for tomorrow and I may as well do the wb for a peice of mind. By the time I get the kit it’ll be well over 16 to 18 wks hopefully that’s enough time. Even tho I’ve tested negative up to 14 wks. I would rather do the wb and be done with it. Could u please give me your opinion on the questions I’ve asked above.
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February 14, 2019 at 4:11 pm #30601Terri WarrenKeymaster
14 weeks is plenty of time to wait to be tested and no, smoking has no impact on testing. We apparently talked this week – will await test results.
Terri
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February 22, 2019 at 10:27 am #30945MikeyParticipant
Hi Terri first is like to thank you for everything. I have a few ?’s while I await the wb results.
I took the test at about 16 to 17 weeks post exposure. Will the wb still be 99% accurate? Only reason I ask cause I read it can take 3 to 6 months. I have a long history of hsv1.
2. Does the igG usually detect first, because people do the wb when they get low positives?
3. I tested negative for hsv2 at the 16 to 17 wk mark. Is that a good sign the wb results should be the same? I read people getting low + months later smh.
4. Will i be able to be satisfied God willing it comes bk – at 16 wks, or would u recommend redoing it at 6 months?
5. Have you ever seen anyone test – on igG when they wait 16 wks and test + on wb? Maybe I shouldn’t of asked that
6. Have u known someone with a long standing hsv1 infection and acquire h2 and get typical symptoms like blisters and lesions.
7. I tested using lab core herpes select and – results. The day I did wb draw I also tested for igG thru anylabs and they use quest. That also came-. I read that u said if one misses 8 % it’ll always miss. That’s y I did it and thank God it was negative. Can i be relieved from the tests. Only thing I feel is the same spot on median raphe. Irritated and not sure what’s going on. I feel a small bump now and it was inflamed all this time really I know h2 doesn’t behave like that. I’m wondering if it’s a form of hpv now and the so called malluscum could of been just that. Google image kind of looks like what it was on me smh. It’s on a sensitive area is y I’m feeling it. I want to completely rule out hsv2 before I get it looked at as they’ll test me anyway. With a strong immune system hopefully it can get rid of it.
ive been putting of sexual contact with my fiance and I’m really worried about this.
8. The uow received the wb on Wednesday this wk, I forget how long you said it’ll take for the results. I’ve read people getting them in a week
9 when can i expect the results to come to me? Thk YOU -
February 23, 2019 at 3:39 pm #30966Terri WarrenKeymaster
I see that you have paid for 6 posts, but not 12. did we talk last tuesday? If yes, please post your initials so I can look up your payments
Terri
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February 25, 2019 at 6:05 am #31033MikeyParticipant
Hi Terri.
I hate to even bother u with my worries. You’re the expert and I wanted to ask you if i can really trust the negative result for hsv2 at 17 wks out. I been reading too much and I just need to stop smh. Ice read that having hsv1 antibodies will give some protection against hsv2 meaning upon infection with hsv2 the h1 can fight it but if it goes into the nerves and hides the body wouldn’t know the difference meaning it won’t make hsv2 antibodies. Does that seem right to you. I’ve paid everybit of 80 with 2 follow up questions actually please can u answer some of questions I have. IA -
February 25, 2019 at 7:36 am #31047Terri WarrenKeymaster
Yes, you can trust the negative blot if negative at 17 weeks out, even if you have HSV 1. The University of Washington actually changed the wait time from 16 to 12 weeks, even if a person has HSV 1. Your idea about the infection hiding in the nerve is not accurate. Just wait and see what the blot says, OK?
Terri
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March 5, 2019 at 8:42 am #31462MikeyParticipant
Thank you Terri the western blot was negative for hsv2. I appreciate your help in this matter. Just a few questions.
I read igG picks up antibodies before the wb, is this true.
If The wb looks for more antigens dealing with the virus and that’s the case I would assume the other antigens would be found with the wb first. If the igG is the last to be detected maybe these antigens appear before the igG . Idk.
I’m sure there was alot of studies and experiments made to determine the 12 wk wait time before doing the wb. I did it at 16 wks and 17 wks and few days from the unprotected sex. I’d hope that’s more then enough time. Just reading stories on medhelp brings up my anxiety. I probably won’t be satisfied until the 6 month mark lol smh. I also tested again at 19 weeks. If negative I’ll sleep better I guess but I kno this will remain in the back of my mind for awhile. The things I felt and the so called mallescum isn’t normal for me. -
March 5, 2019 at 10:39 am #31471Terri WarrenKeymaster
The western blot picks up FAR more antibody than the IgG test. The IgG test looks for only one protein associated with HSV while the western blot looks for ALL the proteins associated with the HSV antaibody
The IgG can be positive sooner than the western blot, for the very reason described above.
The time you waited is way more than enough.
Molluscum is not normal for anyone.You need to let this go now!
Terri
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March 22, 2019 at 6:36 am #32635MikeyParticipant
Hi Terri its me again Lol
I upgraded my subscription as the engagement is getting close I did another igG at 20 wks from last encounter and 22 wks exactly from the main risk(condom breaking) ofcourse hsc1 was detected as it always was, I’m not worried cause she has it too. Hsv2 was negative. I just had a few questions for u to ease my mind a little.
1. Let’s say 20 wks cause I’m going from last encounter. Does it sound promising and can I trust these results
2. I hace the wb kit and still plan on doing it in mid April closer to 6 months because I read it’s 99% at that point. Just curious about how it works. With neg igG will it still detect the 15 or so other antigens or does it go off the igG antibodies meaning if igG is negative wb would be negative. Or does the wb look for something diff then igG proteins, other antigens that deal with h2?
3.I was told by my Dr if I have h1 antibodies it will fight off hsv2 for awhile untill hsv2 antibodies appear. That’s why it can take 6 months. Is this true? He honestly wasn’t to educated in this area as there was alot of misinformation. Why would people take that long anyway just curious if I’m healthy enough of think I’d have a borderline +by now.
4How fast does antibodies appear in an infected person? Do they sky rocket passed the .9 Mark or slowly build up upon infection and not an outbreak.
5is there a such thing as a small strain of the virus that slowly grows in your system or it doesnt work like rhat u either have it or u dont
I can deal with it but I’ll go nuts if I was to infect this innocent girl. She’s never been touched and in my culture it wouldn’t be a good thing.Thank you for your time and everything you do nurse Terri you’re truly appreciated. Have a great day and a wonderful wknd..
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March 23, 2019 at 12:00 pm #32695Terri WarrenKeymaster
1. Let’s say 20 wks cause I’m going from last encounter. Does it sound promising and can I trust these results
Very promising, yes
2. I hace the wb kit and still plan on doing it in mid April closer to 6 months because I read it’s 99% at that point. Just curious about how it works. With neg igG will it still detect the 15 or so other antigens or does it go off the igG antibodies meaning if igG is negative wb would be negative. Or does the wb look for something diff then igG proteins, other antigens that deal with h2?
The western blot looks for all the proteins including the gG that the IgG looks for
3.I was told by my Dr if I have h1 antibodies it will fight off hsv2 for awhile untill hsv2 antibodies appear. That’s why it can take 6 months. Is this true? He honestly wasn’t to educated in this area as there was alot of misinformation. Why would people take that long anyway just curious if I’m healthy enough of think I’d have a borderline +by now.
I don’t agree with that. We do know that a person with HSV 1 takes a little longer to become positive for HSV 2 when one becomes infected but perhaps only a couple of weeks
4How fast does antibodies appear in an infected person? Do they sky rocket passed the .9 Mark or slowly build up upon infection and not an outbreak.
It could appear as easly as 7-10 days at a low level.
5is there a such thing as a small strain of the virus that slowly grows in your system or it doesnt work like rhat u either have it or u dont
No
I can deal with it but I’ll go nuts if I was to infect this innocent girl. She’s never been touched and in my culture it wouldn’t be a good thing.Terri
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March 28, 2019 at 7:49 pm #33208MikeyParticipant
Hi Terri hope all is well. When u say that The western blot looks for all the proteins including the gG that the IgG looks for are u referring to the 14 antigens not dealing with the igG. Other proteins or do they appear after igG appears. I was always under the impression that wb go off of igG protein meaning igG needs to be + in order for the wb to detect.
Also when u said It could appear as easly as 7-10 days at a low level. Are u referring to igm or igG appearing that soon.
This whole thing is comfusing I keep reading on people’s experiences and testing positive on igG blood test at later dates then the actual timeline 12 to 16 wks at low levels at that. That’s why I asked how fast antibodies appear. I’m just curious if the western blot will or would of detected infection in these people sooner, like at 12 wks. I didn’t get the last response from u when u said The IgG can be positive sooner than the western blot, for the very reason described above.
Are u meaning that the igG is first to detect antibodies. I didn’t quite get that response. I may of read it wrong
I’m gonna do the wb in a few more wks it’ll be 5 months a 3 wks tops because they’re pushing for early May for the engagement and i kno it’ll be a few wks until I receive the results. This whole ordeal is so depressing and I just get more upset when I read about people showing low positives at later dates. -
March 30, 2019 at 10:55 am #33911Terri WarrenKeymaster
it looks for all the proteins including the gG proteint, es
And yes, the IgG could be positive as soon as 7-10 days
The IgG is looking for a specific protein, a single one that is different between HSV 1 and 2. And that protein comes up pretty quickly in antibody development. So that’s why the IgG test can be positive sooner than the western blot because for the blot to be considered positive, at least four protein bands must be present.You are overthinking this a lot. Please stop reading on the internet.
A low positive at a later date means NOTHING unless confirmed by the blot.Terri
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June 12, 2019 at 9:51 am #38189MikeyParticipant
Hi Terri
We spoke yesterday and I want to do another wb. I got a neg at 5 n half months and I’m not questioning that fact at all infact I’m very happy. I wanted to ask u some questions I didn’t really geT a chance to yesterday.1 just curious with an established hsv1 infection what are the chances of a recent hsv2 infection being fought off with hsv1 antibodies and some of hsv2 goes into the nerves undetected after wards. Meaning the body won’t notice it therefore won’t make the h2 antibodies. Does that make sense and is that a possibility.
2 i understand the wb will pick up the whole immune response other than the igG. Why is it that wb doesnt pick up first in that matter.
3 after 71/2 8 months in sure igG would be low pos and wb at 5n half months would of been intermediate. Last igg i did was at 32 wks post exposure and was negative. Just the question to number 1 has me a little concerned. I’m sorry to bother ya with my worries Terri. -
June 13, 2019 at 6:47 pm #38259Terri WarrenKeymaster
That’s not how this works. The immune system recognizes both types of virus if they are both in your system. It does not go undetected, and I don’t know why you might think it would pick up one type and not the other.
You are vastly overthinking this.
This is your final post on your subscriptions.
Terri
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June 16, 2019 at 12:04 pm #38324MikeyParticipant
It’s kind of hard not to over think this when im reading many people on medhelp that come back positive at a much later date. Positive swab or just having a bump (like me) and negative blood work months and even year later. I really wish The dermatologist would of swabbed it at The time but I just put trust in her judgement thinking it can’t be h2 cause it lingered for months and never pussed and ulcered. Also it’s still there kind of as it turned it flesh colored and I’d imagine if it was h2 related it would of ulcered or something with the trama. Apparently many people has had The same symptom as me not the atypical symptoms you read about online. The fact the girl was a carrier of h2 makes it worse with anxiety. Also many people with symptoms on medhelp being told to trust the results 3 or 4 months out and later come back with positive results and will be ignored or told simply that some people just don’t make antibodies. I’m starting to realize this is the very reason they don’t regularly test for this and cdc is against routinely testing as many people take well over the 12 16 wk period and alot just don’t create the antibodies until a much later timeframe low positives at that. There is ALOT of these cases but I understand that is the regular igG and I have more faith in the western blot. Ive tested well over 13 times and h1 was always caught h2 neg. That’s why I wondered about h1 antibodies battling h2 infection for a longer time. I’m gonna do the western blot at 8 1/2 months and call it quits I’ve done all I can do. I’m not gonna continue to stress over it. I’ll renew my subscription as I’ve already spent too much money as it is and I’m sure I’ll have more questions later. Also to update this thread if anyone is ever in my situation can read about. I thank you you for all your help and advice. I really appreciate the help you’re giving people.
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June 20, 2019 at 7:30 am #38687Terri WarrenKeymaster
You’re welcome. And what you say about the difference between the IgG and western blot is extremely important as people read things online.
Terri
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July 8, 2019 at 4:15 pm #41285MikeyParticipant
Hi Terri, hope all is well I just renewed my subscription. I have an update and new worries. The so called mc has been lingering around this whole time I decided to visit a different dermatologist and he did a biopsy. Unfortunately it’s come bk as hpv. It’s from the same exposure it happened a few wks after sex. It’s what lead me to get her tested and seen she was hsv2 +..
I have just a few questions if you don’t mind. I did the western blot at 16, 24 and again at 35 weeks post exposure. All was negative and always positive for type 1. As the igG always showed+ type 1 and – 2..
1. If I caught hpv and hsv2 from the same exposure would antibody build up be slower for type 2 hsv because of hpv.
2. I would think I’d of had the classic outbreak if it was a coinfection, especially with all the trauma I put him through. With all the cryotherapy and biopsy. Would you agree.
3. After 8 months neg wb for type 2 I feel good about it and now I have answers of what the bumps was. Should I stop stressing hsv 2 now
4is it true a healthy immune system can clear the hpv virus within 2 years?
Is that meaning no more and not infectious to others. Or does it mean it suppresses it and can still be passed on.
I’ve been so depressed and stressed from work and all this I’m sure I’m run down and I would of had the classic outbreaks. I’ve never experienced blisters or open sores.
5 I heard the FDA approved the gardisil shot for up to 45 years old. Do u kno anything about that. -
July 9, 2019 at 11:51 am #41449Terri WarrenKeymaster
1. If I caught hpv and hsv2 from the same exposure would antibody build up be slower for type 2 hsv because of hpv.
NO!
2. I would think I’d of had the classic outbreak if it was a coinfection, especially with all the trauma I put him through. With all the cryotherapy and biopsy. Would you agree.
I would agree – I don’t believe for a moment that you have HSV 2
3. After 8 months neg wb for type 2 I feel good about it and now I have answers of what the bumps was. Should I stop stressing hsv 2 now
Yes, please!
4is it true a healthy immune system can clear the hpv virus within 2 years?
It clears most often, yes, was the HPV typed? If not, it probably should have been. Certain types are more troublesome – 16 and 18. A visible wart though is almost always type 6 or 11
Is that meaning no more and not infectious to others. Or does it mean it suppresses it and can still be passed on.
It is unlikely to be passed to others, but the science of HPV is evolving all the time
Terri
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August 29, 2019 at 11:26 am #48746MikeyParticipant
I Terri I hope all is well
I figured I’d use up 1 of my 2 follow up questions from my recent subscription
I recently had a Dr appointment to check kidney liver functions and all that. My Dr knew of my worries and I agreed to add hsv 1 and 2 to the testing. They’ve cone back neg for hsv2 (obviously my main concern) and all my tests showed positive type 1. This would put me exactly 42 weeks from the start of this nightmare. Even tho i shouldn’t of tested as I’ve had negative type 2 results from the western blot at 16 24 and 35 weeks post exposure. I guess I worry because the girl has hsv2 after testing. I’m satisfied with my results especially the 35 week neg wb results, that’s almost 3 times the wait time you suggest witch is 12 weeks.
I’m sorry to bother you as I don’t have no one to talk to about this as you’re more experienced in this field and we kno docs don’t know much and just go off of blood work results.
My questions is about those who are gG deficient (not saying I am becayse I obviously show hsv1 gg) I’m just curious.
1.those that are gG deficient and never show pos on regular igG, will the western blot still pick it up from the other proteins from the immune response it looks for, 14 different ones and 4 needs to be positive I believe u said.
After almost 8 months im satisfied with my neg result and i learned my lesson as i needed this wake up call. I’m sure something would of showed up. I’m not allergic to anything and have a good immune system. I hardly get a runny nose. Even in the winter time. My Dr said That’s a sign of igG deficiency are those who gave alot of allergies and prone to infections easily and easily fests sick. Would you recommend me testing with the western blot again at the 1 year mark at the end of October or i shouldn’t even bother. I did 3 tests and all came neg for type 2 not even intermediate. I appreciate everything that you do here and have a great weekend Terri thanks again. -
August 29, 2019 at 8:35 pm #48762MikeyParticipant
I’ll use my last follow up questions just to add a few more questions.
1. Can igG deficient population still test positive on the western blot2. Have you ever had cases of anyone coming back positive after a negative western blot, especially taken beyond 7 months from the same exposure?
3. Is the hsv virus slow growing in some people (maybe the ones with an established hsv1 infection) beyond 7 months and there for go undected?
4. Does it mean an abnormality if one takes long to test positive? What could be the reasons behind it?
Even tho i feel like I’m having some symptoms I’m not even too sure how to explain these are just questions that’s been in the back of my mind This whole time. Im just curious more than anything and I am moving passed this.
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September 6, 2019 at 9:26 am #49038Terri WarrenKeymaster
1.those that are gG deficient and never show pos on regular igG, will the western blot still pick it up from the other proteins from the immune response it looks for, 14 different ones and 4 needs to be positive I believe u said.
Yes
2. Have you ever had cases of anyone coming back positive after a negative western blot, especially taken beyond 7 months from the same exposure?
You mean positive on a swab test? Yes, 10 people in 35 years of practice were positive by swab test and negative on the blot. Some had taken substantial antiviral therapy, some not
3. Is the hsv virus slow growing in some people (maybe the ones with an established hsv1 infection) beyond 7 months and there for go undected?
No, that’s not the issue
4. Does it mean an abnormality if one takes long to test positive? What could be the reasons behind it?
Taking antivirals is a big one, other than that, we don’t know
This is your final post on this subscription.Terri
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September 26, 2019 at 10:49 am #54374MikeyParticipant
Hi Terry hope all is well I’m getting close to 1 year at the middle of October I just had a few questions
1. Have you seen people return positive from the same exposure after say 1 year, what’s the longest that you’ve seen someone take to turn positive on igg.
The ones that don’t turn positive on igG im sure western blot will find other antibodies, right.2 also whats the longest that youve seen someone take to turn pos on the western blot after infection
I know the wb is very accurate but in some cases it missed infections but in these people theyve swabbed pos.
3. Are most the cases wb missed and later swab pos hsv1 related because it’s not as accurate as hsv2 testing
When you say swab pos are you meaning before testing or later on eventually having outbreaks then swab pos4.Have you ever seen in your experience anyone end up having an outbreak after testing neg on wb after neg testing this far out
5.If wb misses a case will it continuously miss the infection like the igG? After 3 times testing do you feel like it would of caught it? Or will it miss it every time.
It’s a very tough virus that the immune system does not recognize as a pathogen. Is this the reason for long seroconversion. When reading this kind of stuff it’s difficult to be 100% certain ones not infected.
6. by saying this are you referring about testing on the regular igG being the western blot is looking for all proteins of the immune response? Or both methods of testing
7. Would you feel if I was infected, the 8 month 34 week western blot would of atleast had an indeterminate result? Thanks for your time.
Thanks for your time.
I’m gonna do a final test in a few weeks. I’ll let you kno when it’s being sent. Thanks again for everything. -
October 6, 2019 at 2:56 pm #54950Terri WarrenKeymaster
1. Have you seen people return positive from the same exposure after say 1 year, what’s the longest that you’ve seen someone take to turn positive on igg.
I have seen people never be positive and IgG that are positive on the Western blot
The ones that don’t turn positive on igG im sure western blot will find other antibodies, right.2 also whats the longest that youve seen someone take to turn pos on the western blot after infection
I know the wb is very accurate but in some cases it missed infections but in these people theyve swabbed pos.
That is correct. I have not seen someone who has not taken medication turn positive after four months.
3. Are most the cases wb missed and later swab pos hsv1 related because it’s not as accurate as hsv2 testing
The people that I have seen to our Western blot negative but swab test positive are all HSV-2 cases.
When you say swab pos are you meaning before testing or later on eventually having outbreaks then swab posThese people had had repeated outbreaks that were swab test positive and later Western blot negative
4.Have you ever seen in your experience anyone end up having an outbreak after testing neg on wb after neg testing this far out
No
5.If wb misses a case will it continuously miss the infection like the igG? After 3 times testing do you feel like it would of caught it? Or will it miss it every time.
Have only had one person retest more than once and it was negative second time
It’s a very tough virus that the immune system does not recognize as a pathogen. Is this the reason for long seroconversion. When reading this kind of stuff it’s difficult to be 100% certain ones not infected.
We do not understand the reason for a long seroconversion but it is rare
6. by saying this are you referring about testing on the regular igG being the western blot is looking for all proteins of the immune response? Or both methods of testing
I don’t know what you’re referring to here
7. Would you feel if I was infected, the 8 month 34 week western blot would of atleast had an indeterminate result? Thanks for your time.
Yes
Thanks for your time.
I’m gonna do a final test in a few weeks. I’ll let you kno when it’s being sent. Thanks again for everything. -
October 6, 2019 at 2:56 pm #54951Terri WarrenKeymaster
1. Have you seen people return positive from the same exposure after say 1 year, what’s the longest that you’ve seen someone take to turn positive on igg.
I have seen people never be positive and IgG that are positive on the Western blot
The ones that don’t turn positive on igG im sure western blot will find other antibodies, right.2 also whats the longest that youve seen someone take to turn pos on the western blot after infection
I know the wb is very accurate but in some cases it missed infections but in these people theyve swabbed pos.
That is correct. I have not seen someone who has not taken medication turn positive after four months.
3. Are most the cases wb missed and later swab pos hsv1 related because it’s not as accurate as hsv2 testing
The people that I have seen to our Western blot negative but swab test positive are all HSV-2 cases.
When you say swab pos are you meaning before testing or later on eventually having outbreaks then swab posThese people had had repeated outbreaks that were swab test positive and later Western blot negative
4.Have you ever seen in your experience anyone end up having an outbreak after testing neg on wb after neg testing this far out
No
5.If wb misses a case will it continuously miss the infection like the igG? After 3 times testing do you feel like it would of caught it? Or will it miss it every time.
Have only had one person retest more than once and it was negative second time
It’s a very tough virus that the immune system does not recognize as a pathogen. Is this the reason for long seroconversion. When reading this kind of stuff it’s difficult to be 100% certain ones not infected.
We do not understand the reason for a long seroconversion but it is rare
6. by saying this are you referring about testing on the regular igG being the western blot is looking for all proteins of the immune response? Or both methods of testing
I don’t know what you’re referring to here
7. Would you feel if I was infected, the 8 month 34 week western blot would of atleast had an indeterminate result? Thanks for your time.
Yes
Thanks for your time.
I’m gonna do a final test in a few weeks. I’ll let you kno when it’s being sent. Thanks again for everything.
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