who gave it to who

[billieboyParticipant]

Hello, I think i contracted hsv2 from my X GF

I have had crohn’s disease for 30 years, I recently was diagnosed with hsv2,

my X GF of 5 years had (ARDS ) adult respiratory syndrome 2 years before my outbreak

(at this point neither has any idea of HSV2 infection)

She noticed a bump on her private area I looked at it and poped it thought nothing of it, 3 months later I have a really bad painful outbreak,
she never had anymore outbreaks that she will admit to, but was diagnosed with several yeast infections ,
I did continue to have outbreaks is why I got tested.

I have read that a person can contract it during there first sexual encounter have it for 40 years and not know it
because some people immune system holds it in check until the have some kind of immune system problem.

so here is my questions about who’s immune system was more likely to mask the HSV2

do you think my having crohns disease for 30 years would make it highly unlikely my immune system could hold hsv2 it in check
for what would have had to be 6 years as i did not have sex with anyone else except my GF for 5 years and alone for 1.
and when i had a outbreak it was sever like the first years of contracting it.

my X GF had her first outbreak what would have been 2 years after having (ARDS ) adult respiratory syndrome. she was diagnosed with
several yeast infections that i now think was herpes outbreaks, i think her (ARDS ) allowed the hsv2 to activate in her then she passed it to me.

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my conclusions, my crohns weakened immune system would not hold HSV2 in check for 6 years

her immune system was fine until ARDS. after recovery that’s when she had unrecognized outbreak and misdiagnosed yeast infections and gave it to me.

my point it that were both 40-50 and have had other partners, the fact that my immune system was
already weak from 30 years of crohns makes me think i could NOT have contained it for 6 years and
makes me think i had to of got it from her after HSV2 was trigger by the her immune system being weakened by ARDS

your thoughts

[Terri WarrenKeymaster]

Wow, tough question. And frankly, it will not be possible to know who gave what to whom. At the time that you were first diagnosed with the severe infection, were any antibody tests done for you to determine if you had antibody at the time or not? That is the only way that you could know. If you were antibody negative with a positive swab test then that is consistent with true first infection – virus is present on the skin but not enough time has passed for antibody to have been made.

Although Crohns is certainly an autoimmune disease, I am not altogether clear about its impact on herpes outbreaks. We have patients in our clinic with both and I’ve not noticed that our patients with Crohns have a whole lot more trouble than those without.

Having said all that, let me ask you something about the nature of your first outbreak. Can you describe the distribution of lesions and any systemic symptoms that you may have had?

I will say that it is common to mix up the diagnosis of yeast and herpes. It happens all the time.

Now let me ask – why do you ask about this now?

Terri

[billieboyParticipant]

I had a IGG test that was positive, 8 months after the initial breakout

i guess what I am asking is do you think is it possible for me to have crohns disease
affecting my immune system and have HSV2 for 6 years and not know it and not have outbreaks?

my x displayed symptoms after having ARDS, yeast infections and the bump i poped, then I had a outbreak 2-3 month later.

I am asking now because I just found your website and you seemed like someone who could answer my questions about immunity.

I would like to know if i was likely the one who gave it to her or not, based on my crohns and her ARDS and the way the symptoms displayed themselves.

she said she was tested negative 19 years ago when she was pregnant, did they test for HSV2 19 years ago just because someones was pregnant or is she confused, what kind of test would have been done 19 years ago? I read that the Igg test was just made available and accurate, so was there reliable testing 19 years ago?

again i think she had it in her system for years and did not know it, her ARDS triggered her out break, then she passed it to me, I think this because i believe it is impossible for me to have this in my system for years without a outbreak having Crohns disease affecting my immune system.

any truth to my hypothesis?

[Terri WarrenKeymaster]

I know what you are asking and I do get it.

I don’t know if she had an antibody test 19 years ago when she was pregnant or not. Some OB providers did the testing; most did not at all. Most still don’t. Perhaps she has test results from that time? Maybe she just thinks they did testing because pregnant women assume they are tested for everything?

The answer to your question is it possible that you had Crohn’s disease and had herpes and didn’t know it and the answer is yes, that could have happened.

So statistically, more women than men are infected with HSV 2. true. yeast infection are confused with herpes often. True. Severe symptoms are more often associated with first infection, true.

But in the end, there is no way to know for sure at this point who infected who.

Back to my question – why do you want to know?

Terri

[billieboyParticipant]

Back to my question – why do you want to know?

i want to know who gave it to who

guess I will never figure it out

[Terri WarrenKeymaster]

I meant more what was your motivation to know – for example, is there legal action against you for infecting her, are you having legal infection against her for infecting you? Is she telling people you know that you gave her herpes and you are upset about that? That kind of thing. Maybe you just want to know for your own information with no other agenda.

I’m sorry we can’t provide a definitive yes or no answer to your question. That must be frustrating for you. If it helps at all, this question comes up very very often. People want to know for a variety of reasons. But unless antibody testing is done with the first set of symptoms, it simply cannot be known for certain.

Terri

[billieboyParticipant]

no legal action, just wanted to know if it was possible to know, yes she has told people that I gave this to her and it is upsetting to me.

Everything thing I have read says that there is really no way to know, we were together for 5 years and she left me, I was completely in love, never cheated, never wanted to.

just thought because of the past medical condition that it more pointed to her infecting me.

[billieboyParticipant]

question was there a reliable test of any kind 19 years ago?

[Terri WarrenKeymaster]

Yes.

We have completed the initial question and two follow up questions. If you want to post more questions, please return to the registration page and complete the request for two more question for $10.

Terri

[billieboyParticipant]

my last question was “question was there a reliable test of any kind 19 years ago?”

you said yes, but more specifically i want to know this, my x said she was tested when she was pregnant.

question 1.

when i went to get tested the current information said that only igg testing was accurate and it was a new kind of test,
so what kind of reliable testing existed 18 years ago if igg is new and the most accurate?

[Terri WarrenKeymaster]

The testing 19 years ago was not as good as it is now, that’s correct. Positives cross reacted with HSV 1 and 2 – that is, they were not reliably type specific. But if a test was negative for both or western blot was used, then I think is far more reliable. It’s the positive accuracy that we were most worried about 19 years ago.

Terri

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